I will tell you how I know these things. Their own words have betrayed them and they have not defended my assertion about them. And further, you too have denied that you have died on the cross with Christ and been resurrected with him and been ascended with him. This reveals that you too are not born again. All three of you have revealed that you are not born again. I am not being arrogant or mean. I am just being honest with all of you and you hate me for it. Is not that a bit interesting? I have told you how I am born again and you have denied even the means by which I claim to be born again and the means by which Christ and St. Paul and St Peter have identified. Therefore, I must conclude from all this language used by all three of you that none of you are born again even though you may claim it merely by using Christian clichés such as "I believe in Jesus" or "I was born again when I accepted Jesus as my savior." The real physical fact of life is that the only means to be born again is to be in Christ in his death resurrection and ascension. Both Mike and Robert sign their names at the end of their writings with the phrase "in Christ" but they deny in their writings that the kingdom of Heaven even exists for them. They claim they live somehow is some kind of "dispensation of grace" which is not a place but a means to get to that place. If they were truly "in Christ" they would be where he is right now which is in the Kingdom of Heaven. This is all the nature of true debates. Some mistake confidence and knowledge for arrogance in stating their position and observation. I decided I had rather be real honest with them rather than let them think they were OK with just a slight error in some irrelevant theological point about baptism with water. I simply do not agree with the three of you regarding dual gospels and the means of salvation and rebirth as I have experience to prove all of that in error. I cannot deny my own experience and knowledge of the scripture and where it took me. I do hope you join me where I am and that you do well and prosper until you get here. I pray that all of you be born again via the works of Christ creating the door into heaven with the death, resurrection and ascension of his body in which the whole cosmos is located.